You can tell by many things gait, body shape, manner of walking, voice, etc. I have no idea why shes doing this, but its not because she killed her own sister. Im not sure about that, but its an interesting idea! Both investigators were women. The guys and Skip talked about DPs place within the timeline on the day of the murders, went into some details about his role in regards to a supposed "couple arguing" under the bridge within minutes of the time of the murders, and the woman involved in his alleged alibi. I must have the wrong name for your POI? He killed a woman. Fascinating episodes - Ive listened twice and got back through the old Delphi episodes too! No, POI'S will be discussed tonight. Photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, and film. I am 100% behind you. You say that you dont even have a suspect, and youre waiting on that one tip to come in, but youre worried about double jeopardy? Our error rate at the moment is probably under 50% and quite possibly lower, even much lower. At least some people like me. But about that fake DP Facebook account 3 days ago, New Cricket made a post here talking about the possibility of BG having a martial arts background and included links to a couple of old newspaper articles showing DP with his martial arts class when he was younger. This girl was refusing to get an abortion that he wanted her to get. There would have to be some sort of connection to Mr. X for me to suspect him, and I dont see any as of yet other than odd behavior in searching for the girls. DELPHI, Ind. I am thinking that maybe which ever one was pregnant may not have known. Instead, people attacked /u/SkipJanson about going to Delphi when so many others like BitterBeatPoet were glorified for doing so and posted all over without issue. They talked to Ron and he allowed them to park on her land. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If you met me, you would laugh at them for saying that. Mr. X not only discovered the bodies, but he ran away in terror afterwards. LE still has access to the conviction. How would she be a few weeks pregnant by a guy that just raped her? Yes, that is what I referred to; i.e. Im just curious what the facts for each side are. Murders. *The cops refer to cases of scumbag on scumbag shootings as No humans involved or public service killings. Not say that innocent people are killed and hurt in these cases and in some cases the target themselves is completely innocent. All other POIs are dropped or cleared at least as being the killers themselves. Well, hes the right age anyway. Again, not saying that he did it. Thats going to be very hard for him to explain. Kelsis DNA was the only DNA found on the bodies. Because of the number of people saying this rumor is true, it goes into the likely category. LE thinks he stashed his phone at the CPS building during the murders. Anyway, even if there was PIV sex, the victim would have died soon after the sex and the tiniest speck of a fetus, the size of a pencil dot on a sheet of paper, along with it. Hence, none of his DNA from the forest around the girls is usable. including this suspect and those related/associated with him, how many people know that there's something fishy (e.g. The point is that that Mr. Holder had nothing to do with this crime. Shes also written a book and is aware of my coverage. He took an undocumented deer trail and evaded the encountering of any individual upon his departure. So that means he killed these girls because theyre chicks too! Doesnt sound like a logical progression of thought to me. Abby and Libby, best friends in the eighth grade, were on a hiking. Delphi Girls Murdered Bail hearing set for suspect in Delphi murders Richard Allen's bail hearing has been set for Thursday, June 15 at 8:30 a.m. in Carroll County. The end goal here is justice for Abby and Libby. Its more secure. Like a coward, we would add. He was one of the original witnesses who saw BG and gave a description. And he never meets anyone for any reason. I think LE has known since around the time they had the 2019 press conference that DP is the guy. Deer kit on waist with five hunting knives. Anyway, LE believes that Bridge Guy is Mr. X. Theyre not looking at anyone else. For instance, if LE have a suspect, and they have a partial present in 10% of the population, this is one more bit of evidence that might point towards them having the right guy. The Delphi Murders - With Skip Jansen 3,712 views Streamed live on Mar 5, 2022 115 Dislike Share Save Kristin Behind The Crime Door 1.58K subscribers Join us as we discuss the case and KAK. Put the competing theory to the logic test. For information on these documents, see the special section below where their nature and provenance is explained. If he is wearing Indiana Packers workboots, this solves one more question. Thank you for all the work on the Delphi case. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9738939/Lori-Vallow-charged-conspiracy-commit-murder-death-fourth-husband-Arizona.html?fbclid=IwAR2haqAKhF0vqWzP2aKiNyDy14kIG7SCjPxtWVXndA3Dt49wvD5xXRByYT8. Some people are very insistent that Ron Logan is the killer. Marital status: Married, rocky and tumultuous marriage with breakups where they go live on their own and later get back together. Guilty until proven innocent! Every podcast is all about them! I am sure he was asked. Something to think about. So Id just as soon stop looking at him as a suspect. The only case I am familiar with is the Bittaker-Norris Murders in Southern California. Abby was the one that had the boyfriend. Theyre not that common. Kim Riley discusses the sketch released Monday of a man believed to be connected to murder of Liberty German and Abigail Williams in February in Delphi, Indiana. Also if Kegans not involved, then neither is the father. Otherwise why do we have religions? Of course Ron Logan didnt do it. For one, its a gross violation of journalistic ethics, and I was trained to be a journalist I have a BA in Journalism and worked as an editor of a large magazine, among other things. . Expunged just means taken out of public records. That is the statement from the woman on the search team. He was married to Becky Pattys sister at the time, and I believe it was about a week afterwards that she posted on social media her husband was a monster then deleted it. No-Reason-1185 1 yr. ago. Also his personality is nothing like Scott Alexander, some sock who is claiming to be LK on Facebook groups. To say these girls had things shoved in them without proof is horrible for their parents. LE has no clue what is going on. We believe she never showed up, he never called the wife, he never lost his keys in the first place, and there was no spare set. They also think you get that way from your upbringing, especially with your father. I apologize for all of the questions. I understand that all of my information may not be correct. You dont need a degree, credential, and a license to do this job, you know. Clearly very familiar with the area of the crime and perhaps knew it as well as the back of his hand. If this roommate is correct, it looks like Mr. X worked in 2011-2012 at as packing plant in the Delphi area, and he was moved to near Evansdale, Iowa for a period during these two years to work on a sister plant near Evansdale. To be fair, two other men were also searching Rons land that night and they didnt find anything either, so it looks like those girls were pretty hard to miss. I doubt it. Henceforth, he will be known as LE Source A. High Robert, I may have questions, but that would be the extent.. Delphi murders cops slammed for keeping people 'in the dark' STAR LIVES ON Ray Liotta's daughter gives heartbreaking tribute to late dad at Walk of Fame Police still ask anyone with information about the case to submit a tip at abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com or 765-822-3535. Have you guys/Skip discussed or explored the theory that DP is covering for someone else - hence the inconsistencies to his story. I believe Mr. X is the guy. Thanks for your time. Is there any meaning to these numbers or is he just playing sneaky, tricky games with us like these guys often do. Incidentally, we now have a retired homicide detective working as part of our team. Ive been angry at LE today regarding this case. Thank you. Busy location with a diner nearby. Im so sorry. 3) This man is a *heavy* smoker and a functioning alcoholic. I guess I also wonder how everyone put such and effort to look only a few hours after being missing. No. You mentioned a pic of CSI workers with a doll a couple of days ago did anything come of this? I realize unsolved would be a magnet for that but wow. Kelsi German: Sister of Libby. The behavior of LE throughout the entirety of this case is, to put it as nicely as possible, questionable, and to state the truth, just plain stupid. Perhaps a parent(s) was involved particularity in the cover up especially since the killer was inexperienced at covering their tracks. I in no way have intentions of spreading false information. Kelsi German has been cleared. I also have to disagree with you about your criticism of the police for calling off the search at 3 AM. There are signatures on the document. We reported them one year before it came out in the media that they were all true. But we are not naming person. Tobor I would love the info bcw4118@gmail.com. Also note that LE are now acting like they think the young catfish did the crime, not the older BG. This is part of what they thought was being said, yes. First, a pitch for support for this website and our sleuthing group: Our private group is clearly the best Delphi sleuthing group on the Internet by far and has been since it was founded four years ago in 2017. People are saying this is a coincidence, but apparently LE does not believe it is coincidental. The reason why I didnt send the letter was because I was moving across country and strongly felt as though law enforcement would not take my views seriously. The boots appear to be Indiana Packers boots. The killer in the unsolved Delphi murders is believed to have moved and staged the victim's bodies and taken a souvenir from their 2017 slayings, according to newly-surfaced police documents . I dont get it. 14) For more, see video, though this is the gist of it. My ideas, of course, are just speculative like those put forth by others. If it was deleted it's probably because he is the one on the actual physical witch hunt in actual real life. Both my gut instinct and logic are screaming, Verify the statements of FSG!! His phone records could be subpoenaed. @Amber- I almost feel as though LE doesnt want to solve this crime, and that scares me. It has been said there were dolls and stuffed animals around the girls. I also looked into his brother as a possibility. This implies that the girls were returned to the scene later. Correct. Wife left him. I cant see where this is! He posted a photo on Facebook around three weeks to a month after the murders. They have thought they had the right guy several times in the Zodiac case, but all of the suspects fell through. I tend to think that it goes deeper than only Mr. X being involved though. But I see the home is raised. By the way, whats a legitimate journalist? Whats a illegitimate journalist? Theres no such thing as either. I still have the pic. Last week some tweaker who had clearly been up for days on meth, posted non stop on multiple groups, and on his own page, that his father and young son were the killers with zero evidence. We think the girl knew she was pregnant. . You think Im stupid? Delphi, Indiana - February 13, 2017 - Middle school students Liberty German and Abigail Williams went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail and were murdered. Thats because they havent been told shit. I have no inside info, never been to the area and cant pretend Im going to solve the case. 6) He has a family member thats buried in the cemetery near the Monon Bridge. Friends with Ron Logan on whose property the crime occurred. And Mr. X or BG is the one who used that catfish to bring Libby in. Do not release information that can be used to do the same or join in attacks conducted by others. 2-13 again. In my option the perp is home grown. I noticed your nice comment on my YouTube page, thank you so much for your reply! Oh, one more thing, Jim. I want to be respectful to someone who is innocent until proven guilty also. It is interesting that Mr. X appears to have stayed with his truck from 6:30 PM to on Monday, February 13, to 12:30 PM Tuesday, February 14 when the girls were found. However, there was one little problem. It is on the girls cellphones, but if you listen to it, you will just hear a bunch of unintelligible garble. There is endless silly speculation in the comments about BG I think BG was a teenagerWhat if BG escaped on a hand glider?What if BG is dead?What if BG escaped to a deserted island where he now renamed himself Lord Jim and is now king of the savages?What if BG is really a woman in drag?What if BG is Mafia hitman?Bla bla bla bla.. But they didnt get to ask him about PB. Why on Earth would anyone hang around near their vehicle for a full day just because they lost their keys? Dont listen to those idiots on Reddit! New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, This is a community where we can speak openly about the Murders of Libby and Abby in Delphi, IN, Press J to jump to the feed. Theres something different about this casing, it stood out to me. Hes laughing b/c theyve been focused upon a completely wrong direction. At the very least he could have made misleading statements. Yes, they did record audio of themselves torturing those girls. They just accept everyone as long as you say youre straight. I would like to email this , as it is not particularly relevant to the comments on this page. People have said DP used to be highly active on Facebook and on Reddit in relation to the Delphi murders prior to the second sketch being released. We suppose if was listening to a police scanner, he could have known that early, but whats the likelihood of Mr. X listening to a police scanner between 5:30-6:30 PM on the day of the crime? Thanks again for the interesting and jaw dropping article!!! It is interesting to note that the Evansdale girls were also abducted on the 13th. I in no way want to spread false information. I dont know about you, but when I go to a nearby town, I dont generally take my cellphone and throw it in a bunch of weeds for the five hours that I was gone, coming back to my home hours later to retrieve it from the weeds. Another document we have is another search warrant, this time for the Maxwell property. One of his many interesting hobbies was abducting and raping young women. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. We openly admit that much of what we are saying about this crime are unverified rumors. It was all over by 3:30 sure takes a lot of the heat off of LE for calling off that search, amirite? Too fucking bad. Of course, we empathize with their losses, but sympathy wears thin when someone is screaming in your face. The gun is a rare collectors item, possibly a .40mm. Indiana State Police annou Yes I thought the suspect had been recorded walking on the raailroad tracks on one of the girls phones. Recently, multiple local sources with knowledge have opened up to share that this was a hit ordered by a very powerful businessman who runs a criminal operation that some say is akin to a mafia-style family outfit. There are unconfirmed rumors Mr. Xs truck was towed after his wife never came to bring the car keys and that Mr. Xs truck was never searched by police. Person of Interest is a much higher standard than unnamed suspect, and he hasnt even risen to that level yet. Numbers 1-4 were told to a retired detective who works with one of our team members us by an LE source close to the investigation. This Video is protected under copyright laws and violators will be prosecuted. Evidence in the Delphi, Indiana, double murder case was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details, including that suspect Richard Allen's gun was linked to the crime scene. However, it is still not clear that Mr. X did this on his own or if someone helped him. Thank you. She still hasnt been able to process this, assuming such a thing can ever be processed. The second sketch looks uncannily like DP. He was 18 in 1984, so we figured he graduated that year, but maybe he graduated in 1986 when he was 20. Resident of Delphi in 1984-85 at minimum. I know some people are upset for this style of episodes and so be it. In the Delphi Murders: 2/13: The Delphi Murders were committed on February 13, 2017. 1 hr. I dont know if the bridge was within eyeshot of the spot where the girls were found. We now know a lot of things about the main suspect, including the name, age, height, weight, marital status, possible offspring, address, names of wife and children, and history of his life. Tragedy struck the small town of Delphi, Indiana on , when Abby, 13, and Libby, 14, were murdered on a hiking trail. Several LE officials have said that Abby had a phone, whether with her or not is not known. If so, where and when? FSG knew everyone in town. Sexual age orientation: Pedohebephilia, nonexclusive, AOA 8-14. I dont care what anybodys age is. Believe it or not that is another QP. Is he into numerology? If you cant handle such material, dont read! Hey Robert, absolutely love reading your blogs. Via LE Source A, Mr. X s roommate in 2011-2012 in Delphi told LE that BG was absolutely Mr. X. Dime a dozen. I definitely think that he was passed info inadvertently. Kline was supposed to be in court Thursday, but a judge canceled the appearance. Items known to be carried or worn by BG at the time of crime: Loaded handgun in right jacket pocket, type unknown, possibly a rare .40mm collectors item. Were you a member of the private group? Becky Patty: Obviously theyre not accusing her of the homicides! It is high time this comes to fruition. This is NOT a show about DP or that theory. It was dark. They said, Hes just a decoy. But we dont know what that means. I seem like the nicest guy youve met. Garrett Kirts: Local man, all around run of the mill bad person. In the case that I did find false information, please feel free to contact me in the comments below or by email. But after continuing to receive these pings and after it being 5 years, I went back and decided to post as these images have since plagued me. If anyone else is involved they know who it is. The one through line in this debate is everyone has asked skip what his credentials are and consistently refuses, then says you can verify this from my Reddit posts - so basically the bar now set by TGC for expert guests is now Reddittor ? - We now have some additional insight into the reasons Carroll County's prosecutor asked a judge to seal records in the Delphi murder case. If one of the girls was pregnant, was the pregnancy a result of intercourse with Mr X? There is so much junk, lies, theory, you name it, it is there. Mr. Xs wife, his daughter, and Becky Patty are now putting out a story that Mr. X never lost his keys in the first place. Twice they were wrong. An asterisk means the information is proven via LE information leaked to us. Eventually the evidence I uncovered kept coming back to DP being the POI rather than him covering for someone. Brad was a suspect for a while, and one of the detectives working on the case even stated off the record that he thought Brad did it. They want to keep him in the dark. Cop: Come on, man, we know you did it. Hey, its a capitalist country, right? Copyright 2023 Apple Inc. All rights reserved. He will be embraced by those that matter but I can only hope that those who need to get stuff off their chest reach out to him because he is there to bring those two girls justice and if I was BG, I would be definitely be scared. The only places he differs is where he thinks that the police are wrong! We . It doesnt seem like a normal person would stay at that location for all that time. They always came home. Both of these people were probably ragers before, so its not like they did a U-turn. Then email me and and I will give you the link and password and I will also let you into the new forum where you can set up your own name and password. Its at his home on a shelf! So who is Mr. X? Unverified and Probably Not True. In these cases, we have 4-5 separate sources, usually vaguely referred to as inside sources, testifying to the truth of something. Thats good enough for us to be probative. I just got banned from Twitter again for no real good reason, so Im not feeling that great. Ive never heard about all these details this is crazy. Skip- in one of the episodes you dropped DP brothers name Q A quick search shows that he was arrested and faces charges of child moderation charges (at least someone named QP from Delphi). Hes been on my radar for a long time now. Informacin detallada del sitio web y la empresa: ydelecnormandie.com, +33974562807 Installation et rnovation de rseau lectrique Pont-Audemerr, Lisieux, Le Havre-lectricit btiment,Installation lectrique | SARL YD ELEC NORMANDIE Welcome to the site! Its a new development in a story News 8 was the first to report last week. What are the odds that both parties made up these specific lies on their own? Privacy Policy. Among other things, Carroll . Viewer discretion is advised. But many questions still remain around the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14. Makes no sense at all. Just a little while ago, New Cricket made a post in a true crime subreddit with a link to an article from Psychology Today about killers hiding in plain sight. Indiana State Police Sgt. Children: Two daughters, one ~22, another ~30. How do you know that LE has someone they believe is BG? Unverified but Likely. Thanks for all the info much appreciated. Hes a greedy businessman with dollar signs in fluttering eyes that sound like clanging cash registers every time he blinks. One stepson, age 21 with the same first and last names. This is at a time when he and his alibi place him out of town in a nearby city. Are we making up lies about getting information from police when we actually have no contacts with them? And with the evidence they currently have, they havent proven it. This is getting ridiculous. If so, why? However, the nature of these videos, means I rely on news outlets, speculations of investigators, journalists and family members. Five years after the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German, the people of Delphi remain hopeful as the investigation for the killer continues. FAIR USE Section 107 of the Copyright Act of 1976. Tunnel visioning on one specific person and traveling to their town to try to prove something you can't prove is literally bannable in the Reddit global rules. Few of the illustrious Delphi Murders Youtubers has touched the real truth about this case as laid out in this website, probably because they are all narcissists who hate each other and hate anyone stealing their thunder. Featured Americans eat long list of food banned in other countries Save hundreds by using this free tax prep service Pat Sullivan: Late winter landscape do's and don'ts He was living in the Evansdale area at the time. There was posing. In 2004, police on Big Pine Key responded to a gruesome scene. All the while suspect has a conflated alibi from the girls he was with not knowing what he did when he was alone without him. Until then, the enemies will keep attacking. Thats all you can do is refine the theories you have and check stuff off your list with the little info we have been given. That's a very interesting theory. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Some claims are listed as unverified. Lets hope they find some peace. Dolls were hanging from trees at the crime scene. What is this guy, another Zodiac? The category below Proven is ally called Unverified with Different Qualifications. In fact just based on what I have going on, researching this case is the absolute last thing I should be doing, but its drawing me in, and I cant help it. Instead of attacking the guy, why not support him! 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